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 Post subject: Re: P:T and stuff
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:35 am  
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Anchor babies? I don't think I heard anything about that...


Er, I forgot what that was about (started from a blurb somewhere on CNN), but anyway... about that Susan Boyle! ;> (And Paul Potts--not bad.)

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The problem with the American system is that it's vulnerable to greed. Unfortunately, that's also what's wrong with communism, socialism, fascism...etc. Well, that and the whole investment system is just ridiculous. If two people decide to sell their many shares in a company for even an innocent reason, it can start a chain reaction that panicks other investors into abandoning their shares, which sends the whole thing into a decline. How an entire economy can be so delicate and vulnerable to rumor and gossip simply astounds me.


Greed is such a human thing. Er, I mean to this excess (one can argue that "greed" exists in all animals, but whatever). Your last statement has it all, really. It's like... world economics, middle school clique style!

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Not that I dislike capitalism. On the contrary, I believe it feeds the human spirit. And the people who think that getting rid of currency is a valid way to go are simply delusional.


I agree that healthy competition fosters innovation in a capitalistic market, but it needs to be balanced against ethics, IMO, which is almost never a selling point in consumerism. I haven't heard the argument about getting rid of currency, but that's silly. Are these the same people that want to get rid of the IRS and say taxes are unconstitutional? It boggles my mind that those kinds of people use so many tax-paid public services without realizing it and they have the balls to whine about it. Yeesh.

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Hm, I'll have to consider it, or at least tell my friends who are big Greek mythology fans. But yes, I had to play through PST again and stay ahead of my friends so I could give them some tips. :P Someday I should play evil. But I always say that (I still haven't managed to do that in Baldur's Gate, even). Eh, I'm still watching Dragon Age, but one of the more recent reviews has me worried with its discussion of flaws that would annoy me.


Hmm. I'll have to see it for myself. I mean, with KotOR, NWN, etc., you always received a message when a party member's happiness with you changed. Not one as intrusive as a popup, maybe, but it was still obvious. And the complaint about the unnatural conversations seems a little silly to me, because, again, the party members' one-liners have nearly always been ignored by the npcs in Bioware games. That's always been the case, for better or for worse. I always just viewed those comments as little asides that the npc didn't hear.


Hm, those are good points. Maybe it won't be so bad. :P
So! DAO will have no draconian DRM (no EA-sponsored SecuROM) and only a basic disc check! Whatever "basic disc check" means, but that's definitely something I can live with. That vastly ups replay value for me if I can install it so many times on machines ten years from now. There will also be a pen-and-paper DAO game from Green Ronin, if you're into that sort of thing. I plan to preorder the collector's edition, especially with the DRM announcement. I mean, at the very least I could resell it more easily if I end up not liking it very much. ;>

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Wait! I think this was an episode of Stargate SG-1...


Was it? Never watched the show, myself. I thought the movie was decent, but never found myself drawn into the series...


It's one of those "if there's nothing else on and I flip past it, I suppose I'll stay a while" series, much like the Star Trek franchise for me. I liked the O'Neill character more than the movie, but Richard Dean Anderson is pretty cool anyway.

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Also, I didn't enter the contest. I decided I just don't have much interest anymore in being restricted by someone else's universe. :)


I think that sounds like a good decision. :P
Also, I have to admit that the new Amazon Kindle DX is all sorts of sexy, but... half the price, c'mon! Will it save newspapers? I don't know, but journalism as a money-making thing may be dead as it is if everyone insists on getting news free online. Dead tree versions of newspapers have been dying left and right because of this. Then what's the point of being a journalist if you're not paid? Will we have to learn to trust the "standards" set by amateur bloggers instead? Hmmmm.



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 Post subject: Re: P:T and stuff
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:45 pm  
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Greed is such a human thing. Er, I mean to this excess (one can argue that "greed" exists in all animals, but whatever). Your last statement has it all, really. It's like... world economics, middle school clique style!


It's funny how often I find myself quoting Robert Heinlein. One of the quotes from his Lazarus Long character was something like, "When a society grow large enough to require personal I.D.s, it's time to get out." Humans are less likely to screw over people they know (they still will, but not as often). With an economy this big, people don't care if they benefit at someone else's expense because to them that other person doesn't actually exist.

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I agree that healthy competition fosters innovation in a capitalistic market, but it needs to be balanced against ethics, IMO, which is almost never a selling point in consumerism.


I think you have to take the bad with the good, really. Government-controlled businesses directly contradicts personal freedoms, but if left unchecked people will always find ways to take advantage of others. Simply put, there's no perfect system, and never will be.

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I haven't heard the argument about getting rid of currency, but that's silly. Are these the same people that want to get rid of the IRS and say taxes are unconstitutional? It boggles my mind that those kinds of people use so many tax-paid public services without realizing it and they have the balls to whine about it. Yeesh.


I don't think it's a widespread movement, just some nuts. Like the people who think anarchy would actually be beneficial. But the taxes argument always ticks me off. Sure, let's stop paying taxes. Better get to know your neighbors, because you'll all be chipping in to maintain the streets near you. Oh, and you'll also have to help one another out in an emergency, because there won't be any fire departments or law enforcement.

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So! DAO will have no draconian DRM (no EA-sponsored SecuROM) and only a basic disc check! Whatever "basic disc check" means, but that's definitely something I can live with. That vastly ups replay value for me if I can install it so many times on machines ten years from now. There will also be a pen-and-paper DAO game from Green Ronin, if you're into that sort of thing. I plan to preorder the collector's edition, especially with the DRM announcement. I mean, at the very least I could resell it more easily if I end up not liking it very much. ;>


Yeah! The basic disc check just ensures the game disc is in the drive when you start the program. Nothing new there, really. Though some people (kids) have actually been getting pissed that they have to change discs every time they want to play a different game. I even saw one person who was upset that an Xbox game was 4 discs because he didn't want to get up and change discs. Even though it means the game has more content...

Oh well, these are the people who will be unable to survive when society collapses.

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It's one of those "if there's nothing else on and I flip past it, I suppose I'll stay a while" series, much like the Star Trek franchise for me. I liked the O'Neill character more than the movie, but Richard Dean Anderson is pretty cool anyway.


I think I liked the character better in the movie, but I don't think it's really possible to compare because their story arcs are different. In the movie, there's only two hours for the character to grow and progress, whereas an episodic show requires different handling. I thought his story was well done in the movie, though.

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I think that sounds like a good decision. :P


Also, I have to be perfectly honest. I've never thought very highly of the writing in WoW. The storytelling tends to be rather bland, and other times it's just silly. I don't mean the humor; the jokes are fantastic. I can't, however, take a story seriously when it actually contains a book called the Arcanomicon. :roll:

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Also, I have to admit that the new Amazon Kindle DX is all sorts of sexy, but... half the price, c'mon! Will it save newspapers? I don't know, but journalism as a money-making thing may be dead as it is if everyone insists on getting news free online. Dead tree versions of newspapers have been dying left and right because of this. Then what's the point of being a journalist if you're not paid? Will we have to learn to trust the "standards" set by amateur bloggers instead? Hmmmm.


Journalism as a money-making thing needs to die. I understand that it takes money to do anything, but journalism should be a reporting of unbiased fact, or else it invalidates itself. Today's media is a contest to see who can lure in the biggest audience, and thus make the most money. No one wants to report on a politician's seedy dealings in order to bring the truth to light, they want to do it because it'll make them famous.

Then, of course, we have the amateur bloggers you mentioned, who potentially have the right intentions. However, since they're not bound by the same "rules", they're more susceptible to greed and personal bias. So basically, our whole media system is broken. Yay!



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 Post subject: Re: P:T and stuff
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:28 pm  
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Graen wrote:
It's funny how often I find myself quoting Robert Heinlein. One of the quotes from his Lazarus Long character was something like, "When a society grow large enough to require personal I.D.s, it's time to get out." Humans are less likely to screw over people they know (they still will, but not as often). With an economy this big, people don't care if they benefit at someone else's expense because to them that other person doesn't actually exist.


Like illegals taking someone else's SSN... And SSNs are such funny things. They weren't originally intended to be individual identifiers at all, but look at where we are now. :P And this attitude (the other person doesn't really exist) is illustrated no better than on the Internatz!

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I think you have to take the bad with the good, really. Government-controlled businesses directly contradicts personal freedoms, but if left unchecked people will always find ways to take advantage of others. Simply put, there's no perfect system, and never will be.


Quite right, because human nature is naturally EVIL. I mean that in D&D terms, of course. :twisted:

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I don't think it's a widespread movement, just some nuts. Like the people who think anarchy would actually be beneficial. But the taxes argument always ticks me off. Sure, let's stop paying taxes. Better get to know your neighbors, because you'll all be chipping in to maintain the streets near you. Oh, and you'll also have to help one another out in an emergency, because there won't be any fire departments or law enforcement.


/facepalm
Clearly, some people fail to understand the word "civilization."

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So! DAO will have no draconian DRM (no EA-sponsored SecuROM) and only a basic disc check! Whatever "basic disc check" means, but that's definitely something I can live with. That vastly ups replay value for me if I can install it so many times on machines ten years from now. There will also be a pen-and-paper DAO game from Green Ronin, if you're into that sort of thing. I plan to preorder the collector's edition, especially with the DRM announcement. I mean, at the very least I could resell it more easily if I end up not liking it very much. ;>


Yeah! The basic disc check just ensures the game disc is in the drive when you start the program. Nothing new there, really. Though some people (kids) have actually been getting pissed that they have to change discs every time they want to play a different game. I even saw one person who was upset that an Xbox game was 4 discs because he didn't want to get up and change discs. Even though it means the game has more content...

Oh well, these are the people who will be unable to survive when society collapses.


A kid who complains about that sort of thing... and they wonder why Americans are getting fatter every generation. (/giggle) Anyway, a couple friends of mine and I have been geeking over DA:O quite a bit, especially since Green Ronin announced that they're releasing a PNP version. I'm not a PNP player, but I'm willing to try this with my other friends who are. Old school nostalgia can be pretty overpowering... (It's being released as an old-fashioned boxed set, apparently.)


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Also, I have to be perfectly honest. I've never thought very highly of the writing in WoW. The storytelling tends to be rather bland, and other times it's just silly. I don't mean the humor; the jokes are fantastic. I can't, however, take a story seriously when it actually contains a book called the Arcanomicon. :roll:


Makes it that much harder to RP seriously, at least for me. It's all just a vehicle for numerical mechanics, after all. And purples. >.>

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Journalism as a money-making thing needs to die. I understand that it takes money to do anything, but journalism should be a reporting of unbiased fact, or else it invalidates itself. Today's media is a contest to see who can lure in the biggest audience, and thus make the most money. No one wants to report on a politician's seedy dealings in order to bring the truth to light, they want to do it because it'll make them famous.

Then, of course, we have the amateur bloggers you mentioned, who potentially have the right intentions. However, since they're not bound by the same "rules", they're more susceptible to greed and personal bias. So basically, our whole media system is broken. Yay!


I enjoyed the movie Good Night and Good Luck. Just slightly off-topic. I think journalism needs to be "money-making" in the sense of paying a standard salary to promote personal and industry-wide responsibility, but beyond that... meh. Meehhh. You're right. Everything is broken. Yay! D: Maybe we should just not have any news.

On the other hand, going the way of communist China or North Korea sure ain't a picnic either. Pfeh.

(Eh, the Kindle DX sexiness can't get over its own price tag, though. Bummer.)

I suppose in the broadest sense, there's again that argument from the greedy "all knowledge should be free and pirated" crowd. Clearly, these kids haven't had to perform a "knowledge transfer" to foreign contractors and then be laid off/fired. But I digress again.

I've been reading Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. It is entertaining.



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